I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before

I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had

McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as

generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the

dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible

from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random

port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside

the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"

firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of

this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a

site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.

Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your

connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've

uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.

DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you

do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!



STEVE!

"Steve" <food_crazy@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:41315D60.10402@hotmail.com...

>I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I

>installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee

>Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows

>security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as

>possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@

>windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside

>the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no

>significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then

>switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer

>WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER

>started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh

>bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the

>"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what

>else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my

>computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing

>about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use

>MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

>

> STEVE!

>



I know more than you about computers, and you need to calm down.  You sound

like a raving idiot.

Steve wrote:

>

> I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before

> I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had

> McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with



Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote

> Steve wrote: 

>

> Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.



How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP

compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step

instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with

the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU

and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.



On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.



Alias

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't

read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.

They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running

properly.  If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in

blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.



Bobby



"Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com> wrote in message

news:2pdmqrFjsb84U1@uni-berlin.de...

>

> "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote 

>

> How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use

> XP

> compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by

> step

> instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with

> the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend

> AU

> and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

>

> On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

>

> Alias

>

>

"NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message

news:OU%23MN4ajEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.



I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get the

true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read countless

messages on these two newsgroups.



> Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't

> read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.



Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to --

of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and

troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one

instruction: enable AU.



> They do not know how to,



Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're

right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with

instructions.



> or are too lazy to keep their system running

> properly.  If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in

> blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

>

> Bobby



Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of

troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?



Alias[vbcol=seagreen]

>

> "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com> wrote in message

> news:2pdmqrFjsb84U1@uni-berlin.de... 

use[vbcol=seagreen] 

with 

>

>

I find it odd that Steve is "Techie" enough to frequent MS NGs & even knows

how to cross-post, but apparently hasn't bothered reading any SP2 related

posts.



--



johnf

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> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message

> news:OU%23MN4ajEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... 

>

> I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get

> the true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read

> countless messages on these two newsgroups.

> 

>

> Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to

> -- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and

> troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one

> instruction: enable AU.

> 

>

> Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're

> right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with

> instructions.

> 

>

> Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of

> troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

>

> Alias 

Re: Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're

right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with

instructions.

Most people want to -- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain,

configure and troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people

get one

instruction: enable AU.



Until Sp2 the routine of Automatic Update has been the style...and those who

'use' their computer may have faithfully followed along -or not. In order to

have many computers using systems out there the emphasis went to 'make it

simple...and attractive' so Windows evolved and many computers sold.

I would venture that a large percentage of  users now do not have a

background of using in DOS with the flashing cursor waiting for a command

and then discovering the start up menus that could be made. So now its click

an icon and its not much different than the current vehicles. Vehicles are

created that its practically necessary to go to a service for an oil change

since there is barely room to get under the car without a bunch of

paraphernalia to change the oil (that's from experience) Even service

centres require a computer set up in order to analyse or diagnose the

vehicle.

Thinking ahead and systematically solving a computer or vehicle problem is

not the populace way of operating, I think the condition that people 'are

not techies and don't know how' is likely true but its an 'industry created

condition'

I agree an instruction with detailed steps would have been a plus but how is

that possible with Automatic Update?

There is a good step by step instruction at

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

I followed those instructions and downloaded the big file saved to disk and

the preparation and installation took the most part of a day. The

installation and follow-up has had no problems but I thought the security

panel set up was a bit unclear. It was not totally obvious about declaring

that a firewall and antivirus (unrecognized by name but noted by Sp2) would

be managed by myself.

Rose

"Steve" <food_crazy@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:41315D60.10402@hotmail.com...

>I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I

>installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee

>Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows

>security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as

>possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@

>windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside

>the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no

>significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then

>switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer

>WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER

>started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh

>bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the

>"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what

>else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my

>computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing

>about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use

>MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

>



SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.  I

gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you

install SP2.  You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was written,

not on your sloppy installation method.



--

Gregg C.









>

"Gregg Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP-@prodigy.net> wrote

>

> "Steve" <food_crazy@hotmail.com> wrote

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no[vbcol=seagreen] 

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what 

>

> SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.



I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other

users".



> I  gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you

> install SP2.  You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was

written,

> not on your sloppy installation method.

>

> --

> Gregg C.



The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs

running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your

patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.



Alias